tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post8970068707611464655..comments2024-03-28T11:30:20.005-05:00Comments on El Salvador Perspectives: Gold mining company Pacific Rim cuts operations in El SalvadorTimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02452039674856298357noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-85497260143373784732008-07-08T21:31:00.000-05:002008-07-08T21:31:00.000-05:00Febux said... nice post, anyway you should "che...Febux said...<BR/><BR/> nice post, anyway you should "check other blogs like pijazo.blogspot.com, rojosrojos.blogspot.com, salviblog.blogspot.com, etc, they re good as this is..."<BR/><BR/>yep,<BR/> aparece asi,<BR/> exactamante <BR/> mucho CIA pendejos <BR/>a queines son muy disconfundido y drogado en este blog<BR/><BR/>gracias Tim <BR/>mejor, espanolHodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993011326473703588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-51244883890892155542008-07-07T08:35:00.000-05:002008-07-07T08:35:00.000-05:00you re right, i ve never voted for arena but anywa...you re right, i ve never voted for arena but anyway i m asking myself why people voted for arena, anyway, we hope someday and pretty soon could change the thingsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-71612481869284521572008-07-06T15:49:00.000-05:002008-07-06T15:49:00.000-05:00Everyday between 400 and 700 salvadoreans leave El...Everyday between 400 and 700 salvadoreans leave El Salvador hacia el norte, asking themselves why the hell they voted for ARENA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-39999311620416248102008-07-06T05:23:00.000-05:002008-07-06T05:23:00.000-05:00buen punto chishi, fijate que al fin de cuentas sí...buen punto chishi, fijate que al fin de cuentas sí tenés razón, o sea, no quise decir que pasabas peleando literalmente, sino discutiendo, pero está bien esto que estás haciendo viejo, y se ve que tus conocimientos van más allá de lo habitual, como quiera hay nos encontramos por otros lados<BR/><BR/>Saludos desde Arkansas, USAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-39639865313991111522008-07-05T10:24:00.000-05:002008-07-05T10:24:00.000-05:00Yo paso por rojos rojos de vez en cuando, pero no ...Yo paso por rojos rojos de vez en cuando, pero no peleo con ellos, difiero, que es algo distinto.<BR/><BR/>Pero ultimamente me he cansado de las discusiones esteriles con blogeros polarizados y propagandisticos, y he encontrado otros blogs donde el intercambio no tiene componente ideologico y por ende, tiende a ser mas inteligente, mas enriquecedor y mucho mas retador.<BR/><BR/>Asi que casi no opino en Rojos Rojos desde hace rato.<BR/><BR/>Saludos,Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15755787370044476608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-89846678276290885992008-07-05T06:15:00.000-05:002008-07-05T06:15:00.000-05:00nice post, anyway you should check other blogs lik...nice post, anyway you should check other blogs like pijazo.blogspot.com, rojosrojos.blogspot.com, salviblog.blogspot.com, etc, they re good as this is... Chishi, no sos vos el que te pasás peleando con el Saramago y Rojo Bender en el blog de los rojosrojos ??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-80607639688391387092008-07-04T16:55:00.000-05:002008-07-04T16:55:00.000-05:00Mining, by a private company, without any governme...Mining, by a private company, without any government co-ownership, really is mostly about plundering and carpetbaggin.<BR/><BR/>And I said co-ownership, not co-administration, nor co-running-of-daily-and-technical-affairs.<BR/><BR/>But, as usual, the Govt, would have given the concession with all tax exemptions and would only get in return the meager payments of the 120+ workers and would be stuck at the end with the clean up bill, since we have no regulatory bodies in El Salvador to rein in the "Green Miners".<BR/><BR/>Really a bad bargain, if this was so.<BR/><BR/>If the Damned mine is so profitable, then have the government give such concession keeping a 51% ownership for itself, or even a 60%. If the mine is so profitable, even at those rates it should be a bargain for the mining company.<BR/><BR/>And make the bastards comply with the SAME environmental laws they apply in Canada or wherever the hell they are from in the first world.<BR/><BR/>Let the miners run its daily operations, but let all that profit go into governmnets coffers directly to give services back to the population. <BR/><BR/>Otherwise, it would just be bad business for all of us, because the trickle down economics never really worked for most of salvadorans, and the transfer of technology from mining is really seldom of use anywhere except deep holes going nowhere.<BR/><BR/>Regards,Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15755787370044476608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-30293303721712659972008-07-04T14:59:00.000-05:002008-07-04T14:59:00.000-05:00When will they be ready? When OxFam says so? When ...When will they be ready? When OxFam says so? When they have had twenty more years to stew in the poverty and see the degeneration of society due to the lack of jobs and the failure of the family structure due to heading north to find jobs. I agree that the mines won't solve all the problems but if one mine means that you have a complete family for every worker at the mine it has accomplished something.<BR/> I know a family in San Salvador where the father recently came back to El Salvador to visit after 11 years in the north. He finally met the son born after he left. Yeah he is supporting his family but wouldn't it be better if he had the opportunity to find meaningful work here? <BR/>How does inner self make the determination that El Salvador isn't ready? Is he professing omnipotence? That seems mighty arrogant to me and I don't see how time is going to change a group of people from ignorant to informed when all they get is the negative information and only want to believe that side of the story anyway. If people were rational and logical thinkers this would not be an issue, but people in El Salvador tend to be emotional and not logical. The fact that other countries of Central America have seen fit to look past the emotional fear mongering of the NGO's and allow responsible mining blows that argument out the water. The mining companies can't make mistakes because there are to many people looking over their shoulders waiting for them to fall on their faces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-90614962638862852942008-07-04T13:55:00.000-05:002008-07-04T13:55:00.000-05:00as i've said before, the problem for this project ...as i've said before, the problem for this project in El salvador is that the population is not ready for something like this. there should not be anything wrong with responsible mining and development projects, problem is, the public is too ignorant right now to really come up with a solid stand based on logic. people all over el salvador, not just chalate, need to be educated and know what is going on and what they're talking about before they make a positive decision and stick to it. so i am glad this project has been put on hold for the time being. i think a few years down the line people will be better suited to make a sound and proper decisin, but right now it is not the time yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-56656783596994810192008-07-04T13:41:00.000-05:002008-07-04T13:41:00.000-05:00I have to second what El-V had to say. it is not t...I have to second what El-V had to say. it is not the "civil" society organizations that are trying to create jobs in El Salvador. They don't live by democratic priciples either but espouse change by violence. Sure, these groups financed by bleeding hearts from the north that have jobs and already have their nice lives are unanimous in their willingness to halt progress in El Salvador. They fail to remember that democracy means that you live by the laws that are in place. If you don't like them, then follow the democratic process to change them. The "civil society groups" such as OXFAM (which by the way stands for Oxford Famine Relief should not be involved in politics or anti-mining issues) need to quit aiding ex-guerilleros to fill their pockets and actually do something to foment development.<BR/>If Pacific invested in El Salvador under the premise that El Salvador was a law abiding country then they deserve to get their permits and anybody who has invested deserves the same right until the law changes. In most civilized countries it is known as Grandfathering and as a lawyer Tim should be aware of this. If El Salvador doesn't want to be painted with the backward thinking 3rd world nation brush they need to obey their own laws and get in the game. They nearly lost Calvo, they are in the running to lose Energia Fonseca,and may have lost mining. When are the people here going to realize that they have to stop letting a bunch of foreigners dictate their own future? They have to start thinking for themselves and decide what will be best for them and El Salvador. The polls, depending on who takes them, don't show unilaterally that the inhabitants are against mining. Obviously countries like Guatemala and Costa Rica have seen fit to realize that mining done well can be of worth in their respective countries. Nobody here can say that the president of Costa Rica is somebodies lackey after looking at the awards and honors he has recieved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-42768697855888980722008-07-04T09:40:00.000-05:002008-07-04T09:40:00.000-05:00Hodad's rant was removed at his own request.Hodad's rant was removed at his own request.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02452039674856298357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-69599321804851810652008-07-04T00:54:00.000-05:002008-07-04T00:54:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Hodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993011326473703588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9177745.post-6141659192751355212008-07-04T00:24:00.000-05:002008-07-04T00:24:00.000-05:00«with almost unanimity among civil society organiz...«with almost unanimity among civil society organizations opposed to mineral exploration»<BR/><BR/>Yep.<BR/><BR/>Sure, these "civil society organizations" are not among the 267 families who are losing their jobs.<BR/><BR/>Sure, "civil society organizations" don't live in El Delirio, Chalatenango, where the only hope for getting out of misery, absolute misery was this private investment.<BR/><BR/>El Delirio people can now look forward to a dangerous trek to the U.S., and those of them who don't die on the way, can look forward to washing dishes at some Shoney's in Wisconsin, or wherever.<BR/><BR/>Yeah. Let's celebrate.<BR/><BR/><BR/> - * -<BR/><BR/><BR/>10 years from now, somewhere in El Salvador, some brilliant sixth-grade kid is going to ask himself: "why do I live in this miserably poor country with so few opportunities in my future?"<BR/><BR/>Will you tell him that it's because foreign-funded "civil society groups" kept their country away from the path to development?El-Visitadorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08823897085882597971noreply@blogger.com